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Comment from: Dave [Visitor] Email
One small but important correction. None of Microsoft's current line of office software complies with the ratified version. Until full compliant versions of these products are released, Microsoft will not be able to market their products as such.
07/04/08 @ 08:01
Comment from: Mike Brown [Visitor]
>> Just because the standard is a creation
>> of Microsoft doesn’t make it technically
>> inferior to an open source rival.

Indeed not. What does it make technically inferior is that it *is* technically inferior, as in:
* it thinks that the year 1900 was leap year (which it wasn't) and, therefore, cannot handle dates properly before that year. Apart from attempting to perpetuate a proprietary bug in an international standard, this also ignores - as OOXML does so many times - a pre-existing standard for describing dates. (ODF uses the latter).
* it contains tags that reference old Microsoft products - eg. the infamous *LikeWord95 tags - which only Microsoft knows how to implement correctly.
* there is little, if any, consistency in tag use between the three office products, and even within the individual products themselves
* it describes page sizes via numbers pulled out of the Windows registry. Once again, this ignores a pre-existing ISO standard, which describes paper sizes in terms that people can actually understand ("A4" etc). (And once again, ODF uses this).


And so on. From a pure technical perspective, the spec is a mess. Some of the problems may have proposed fixes but I'm not sure anybody outside of Microsoft knows how they're going to work.

>> Millions of people around the world create
>> documents based on OOXML every day

Anecdotal evidence suggests that most companies that have deployed Office 2007 are setting the default formats to the old binary .doc format, rather than save in .docx (OOMXL for Word). A filetype search in Google reveals a mere 31,000 for .docx, with 34 million for .doc.

07/04/08 @ 09:25
Comment from: Jo [Visitor]
I second the above,

and also add that even if Microsoft decide to implement this format, its so broken that no one else will be able to implement it.

Secondly, there's already a perfectly good standard out there odf, which was put together over years - not the fast track that caused this fiasco.

odf was a collaboration of many parties and it is implemented in many software packages.

Microsoft has done some very dodgy things in order to get this throgh the iso, and i for one will be waiting on the Eu's investigation
07/04/08 @ 09:30
Comment from: Bob Mogal [Visitor]
The issue open source advocates have with this 'standard' is that it isn't, by any definition a 'standard'. It is not possible by anyone except for Microsoft to create a program that complies with OOXML, and even they aren't doing that right now.

Yes, I agree that even if it weren't a standard, that millions of documents would be created in OOXML with the next version of Office. However just because they can be created now doesn't mean that they will still be readable in future versions of Office. Microsoft has already dropped support for many past formats.

Please please please actually read the 'standard' before you comment. Its only over 6000 pages wrong, containing at least 1000 errors and many inconsistencies. Once you actually read what had been proposed, I doubt that you would still continue to support it.
07/04/08 @ 10:23
Comment from: Ladislav [Visitor]
In this article, there is nearly nothing correct, as also the other comments show.
It is Microsoft and it is bad - the article naturally.
07/04/08 @ 17:02
Comment from: JJ [Visitor]
This article: It's Inaccurate, but is it bad?

The anti-Inaccurate crowd say Grayson has been too ignorant in getting his article onto the web. This, they say, stymied debate and resulted in a poor blog post.

Problems:
- No mention of Norway or other extreme irregularities.

- "...as it will allow large organisations and governments to continue using Word, safe in the knowledge that their documents are based on an approved format."
That almost sounds like sarcasm. Microsoft itself doesn't even implement the 'standard'. They can only be safe in the knowledge that they'll be locked into Microsoft Office.

- "A knee-jerk reaction by open source apostles is predicable, but doesn’t help to move the world forward. Let’s face the fact that Microsoft has a dominant position when it comes to document creation software. You might not like it, but it’s not about to change anytime soon."
This paragraph is absolute nonsense. Microsoft has a dominant position so by approving the standard they themselves don't implement this helps the world move forward how?
08/04/08 @ 12:36
Comment from: Jeffrey [Visitor]
@Dave
Actually there is no full implementation of the ISO ODF version either. Actually there is no fuull implementation of any ODF versions anywhere. So that MS Office does not support a new and not yet published versions of the ISO OOXML yet is only a minor issue compared to the lack of support for ODF ISO.
@Mike Brown
Since the ISO standardization the compatiblity tags are actually described in OOXML in a very detailled way. So "autospacelikeWord95" is actually fairly easy to implement (allthough I think noone will bother implementing it because it was just a good anti-ooxml discussion point and never a very serieus issue)
Also you should not mislead people because ODF does not just support standard dates but actually supports decimal dates in spreadsheets as well. This is a valid ODF date:
[table:table-cell office:value-type="date" office:value="55"]
And OOXML has been improved to support ISO 8601 dates and flexibel page sizing making your suggested issues look old and mostly irrelevant to the new ISO standard.
08/04/08 @ 19:13
Comment from: Michael Dean [Visitor]
No standard should ever depend on a certain operating system, environment or application and no standard should ever allow proprietary extensions willy-nilly. Application and implementation independence is one of the most important properties of all standards. Why? So all companies, including Australian companies may implement the standard, and use it in their own products and services.

Think HTML, it paved the way for the dot-com industry to boom and allowed competition in an open marketplace. Any company, even Australian ones, may implement HTML because it is a true standard which meets the criteria outlined above. OOXML does not even come close and I think the author of the above article knows it.

What making MS-OOXML an “official standard” does do is assist a corrupt and felonious company in remaining a moving target when it comes to being compatible and interoperable. Someone should be looking out for the interests of Australian citizens instead. Governments should not standardize on vendor lock-in document formats irregardless of whether or not it receives huge discounts or bribes. This forces third parties (Australian small businesses and citizens) to get themselves locked in too. Guess what, they don't get discounts.
09/04/08 @ 06:01
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